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Super Delegates Nominate Hillary Clinton

Posted by devilsapprentice on June 4, 2008

Super Delegates Nominate Hillary Clinton

 

The title some what fictitious but the reality of possibilities is not very far from the truth.

 

With all the misplaced enthusiasm of adolescent perceptions in a political reality stating the world is what it is supposed to be (but is not so don’t hold your breath)  the world is held captive in the turmoil generated by a corporate media that seems to hold little value in truth.

 

To judge the world by the headlines of the corporate media and most others that maintain those views which hold us prisoner to falsehood:

 

Thinking that “Barack Obama has locked up the Democratic Party nomination for the 2008 Presidential  election” in what is misplaced because in truth that is the farthest thing from the truth unless you support the business as usual crowd for maintaining the status quo.

 

“Barack Obama has locked up the Democratic Party nomination for the 2008 Presidential  election “

 

Is that really so? Is that way the Democratic Party will do it? Or is that what some would have us think in what is the jockeying for positioning related to the final voting.

 

One Super delegate offered his vote for sale for supposed altruistic reasons I am sure he is not the only one.

 

What all the wonderful over paid, over educated, over played, over valued, and worthless spin doctors and pundits (mainly of the mainstream corporate media) fail to state is that due to the brilliance of the National Democratic Party and its rules:

 

Super delegates on which Barack Obama is based can vote for whom ever they feel like in views that can change as often as those delegates can change their mind in preference up until the moment they vote at the National Democratic Party Convention for as long as it takes to reach a successful conclusion.

 

Imagine the possible headlines:

 

“Super delegates nominate FDR to run again with Bonzo as his running mate, as FDR is brought back to life due to advanced DNA cloning”

 

I do not agree with the super delegate system but as a realistic observer I am cognizant of it as a reality of real circumstances not imagined ones.

 

In theory the super delegates do not have to vote for either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.

 

So why have so many mainstream media sources chosen to illuminate us with such falsehoods, to simplify the political landscape so we can receive their simplified views in what is once again dumb and dumber?

 

Surely they will rationalize truthfully that most likely delegates will do this and that but not once will they challenge the underpinnings of on which all that political trash and waste is based!

 

Why is it that the most complicated country in the world embroiled in every corner of the world with the most subversive of intrigues is summarized into the most simplistic of explanations that most of the time is simply untrue and false, unethical and immoral?

 

Let us ask what Jesus would do!

Let us ask what Buddha would say!

Let us ask what ET would say and do!

 

But most of all let us ask why has America declined to such a low point of ignorant discussion as is maintain in the mainstream media.

 

The fact of the matter is that without super delegates neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama has enough support to be nominated as the rules currently stand. As Barack Obama has 1,765½ delegates (52%) and Hillary Clinton 1,639½ (48%) with approx 690 super delegates deciding the outcome as it now stands though that means the Democratic Party is not expressing the will of the people but the established circles of power..

 

But who says that being democratic or republican means one is supposed to be fair and egalitarian?

 

But do I hear anyone except myself discussing or calling for the elimination of the super delegate system?

 

NOOOOOO!

 

The fact of the matter remains that if the super delegates decide in convention to change their votes to support Hillary Clinton she will become the Democratic Party’s nominee albeit one without a full mandate from the people just like Barack Obama will not have a mandate of the people if he was nominated on which grounds I oppose them as weak wasteful candidates currently destined for defeat.

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The Election Brawl of 1924

Posted by devilsapprentice on May 21, 2008

Relive the Thrilling Days of Yesteryear, at the Democrats’ Deadlocked Convention

By Peter Carlson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 4, 2008; C01

 

Those TV yappers are in a tizzy about the upcoming Democratic convention. They keep jibber-jabbering about how neither Clinton nor Obama will have enough delegates to win the presidential nomination and they’ll need to woo the high-powered superdelegates. They keep yakking about a deadlocked convention! Or, better yet, a brokered convention !

These young whippersnappers don’t know doodley about a deadlocked convention. Most of them weren’t even born the last time a convention fight went beyond the first ballot, which was in 1952.

Back in my day, Democrats had real conventions with real nomination fights that went on for dozens of ballots. It took 46 ballots to nominate Woodrow Wilson in 1912, and 44 ballots to nominate James Cox in 1920. Jeez, it took four ballots to nominate Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1932 — and he was FDR, for crying out loud!

In those days, people weren’t in such a damn hurry. They liked to vote for their state’s “favorite son” candidate for a few ballots just to show some local pride. In 1932, FDR’s campaign manager asked Sam Rayburn, who was the campaign manager for John Nance Garner of Texas, if he could get the Texas delegation to vote for FDR after the first ballot.

“Hell, no,” Rayburn said, “we’ve got a lot of people up here who’ve never been to a convention before, and they’ve got to vote for Garner a few times.”

But you didn’t come all the way out here to the old folks’ home to hear me beat my gums about the good old days. You want to hear about the greatest deadlocked convention of them all, don’t you? That would be 1924, when the battle went on for 103 ballots and even governors were getting into fistfights on the convention floor.

Give me a minute to put my teeth in and I’ll tell you all about it.

 

* * *

It was the Roaring Twenties, the days of hot jazz and bathtub gin, and the Democrats met in Madison Square Garden, which was packed to the rafters with New York characters, described in The Washington Post as “Tammany shouters, Yiddish chanters, vaudeville performers, Sagwa Indians, hula dancers, street cleaners, firemen, policemen, movie actors and actresses, bootleggers . . .” Plus 1,098 delegates and 15 presidential candidates.

To win, a candidate needed the votes of two-thirds of the delegates and, as the convention opened on June 24, nobody was even close. But the obvious front-runners were Al Smith, the governor of New York, and William McAdoo, a California lawyer who had been Woodrow Wilson’s Treasury secretary and was Wilson’s son-in-law.

Smith and McAdoo represented the two sides of America’s cultural divide — what today’s TV yappers would call the red states and blue states. Smith’s backers tended to be Northern, urban, Catholic and “wet,” meaning anti-Prohibition. McAdoo’s supporters tended to be Southern or Western, rural, Protestant and dry.

Just to make things more interesting, a lot of McAdoo’s rooters were members of the Ku Klux Klan, which was then at the height of its power. The Klan hated Catholics and Smith was a Catholic. (Needless to say, there were exactly zero black delegates.)

It wasn’t going to be easy uniting these factions, but the party bosses tried. They managed to finesse the Prohibition issue with a compromise that called for the enforcement of all laws but avoided mentioning the hated law against hooch. They tried to finesse the Klan issue in the same way, writing a platform that denounced violent secret societies but neglected to actually mention the Klan.

That didn’t work. The anti-Klan folks balked, demanding a resolution that named the Klan. This sparked an anti-Klan demonstration on the floor that led to fistfights as pro- and anti-Klan delegates fought for possession of various state banners. Believe it or not, the governors of Kentucky and Colorado got into fistfights trying to keep their state banners out of the hands of anti-Klan delegates.

Governors throwing punches — now, that’s the kind of convention high jinks you just don’t see anymore!

Ultimately, the anti-Klan resolution that didn’t mention the Klan beat the anti-Klan resolution that did mention the Klan by exactly one vote.

And then this seething, angry crowd settled down to try to pick a presidential candidate. First came 15 windy nominating speeches, followed by 15 windy seconding speeches. This torrent of oratory produced only two words that anybody still remembers: FDR calling Smith the “happy warrior.”

When FDR ended his speech, the crowd went nuts. Smith’s Tammany machine had packed the galleries with thousands of hacks armed with drums, tubas, trumpets and a bunch of ear-piercing electric fire sirens that were so loud that people scooted out of the hall with their fingers in their ears.

“It sounded,” The Post reported, “like 10,000 voodoo doctors in a tropical jungle beating 10,000 tom-toms made of resonant washtubs.”

The hacks in the galleries weren’t so friendly to McAdoo. Anytime a speaker uttered his name, the hacks chanted, “Oil! Oil!” — a snide reference to the fact that McAdoo had received two mysterious payments from an oil baron implicated in the Teapot Dome scandal. It was as if Obama delegates greeted any mention of Hillary by hollering, “Whitewater! Whitewater!”

Anyway, after all this folderol, they finally called the roll for the first ballot and, needless to say, nobody got the 732 votes needed to win. McAdoo led with 431, followed by Smith with 241, and 13 other guys, mostly favorite sons with delusions of grandeur, each with fewer than 60 votes.

What happens when you get no winner? Those TV yappers probably don’t know but the answer’s simple: You vote again. That first day, which was June 30, they took 15 roll-call votes and still nobody was anywhere near victory. The next day, they came back and took 15 more roll-call votes and still nobody won.

This was the first convention broadcast on radio, and all over America people listened to the endless roll calls, each of them beginning with an Alabama delegate drawling, “Al-a-ba- ma casts twen-ty fo-ah votes fo-ah Os-cah Dub-ya Unnn-der-wood Soon, everybody in America was mimicking that drawl, saying, ” Os-cah Dub-ya Unnn-der-wood!”!”

The voting was weird, even for Democrats: On the 20th ballot, the Missouri delegation switched all 36 votes from McAdoo to John W. Davis, the favorite son from West Virginia, which got everybody all excited, but on the 39th ballot, they all switched back to McAdoo.

On Wednesday, the third day of voting, William Jennings Bryan asked the chairman for permission to explain his vote for McAdoo. Bryan was the grand old man of the Democratic Party, which had nominated him for president three times. He was the “Great Commoner” who’d delivered the legendary “Cross of Gold” speech at the 1896 convention. But when he started orating for McAdoo, he was drowned out by angry boos from the gallery and chants of “Oil! Oil!”

“His voice, which had competed in the past with foghorns and tornadoes, sounded like the hum of a gnat,” The Post reported. “For the first time, Bill Bryan’s larynx had met its master.”

Listening on the radio, Americans were shocked to hear the rabble of evil New York shouting down a good Christian gentleman like Bryan.

On and on the voting went — 50 ballots, 60 ballots, 70 ballots. The convention was supposed to be over but it still hadn’t nominated a candidate, so it went into extra innings, like a tied baseball game. Some delegates gave up and left, others wired home for more money. The McAdoo people complained that rural delegates couldn’t afford New York prices and urged the party to pay their hotel bills, which caused the Smith people to accuse the McAdoo people of trying to bribe the delegates by paying their hotel bills.

“This convention,” wrote H.L. Mencken, the most famous reporter of the age, is “almost as vain and idiotic as a golf tournament or a disarmament conference.”

But still it continued, day after day — 80 ballots, 90 ballots, 100 ballots. Finally, both Smith and McAdoo gave up and released their delegates and on July 9, after 16 days and 103 ballots, the Democrats nominated John W. Davis of West Virginia for president.

The band played “Glory, Glory Hallelujah” and the delegates limped home, weary and bleary, their self-loathing exceeded only by their loathing of the other Democrats.

In the November election, Davis was creamed by Calvin “Silent Cal” Coolidge, a laid-back dude who didn’t let the duties of his office interfere with his afternoon nap.

* * *

What? Speak up, young fella, I don’t hear too good. Those Tammany fire sirens ruined my ears.

Fun? You wanna know if the 1924 convention was fun? Well, it was fun for the first 20 or 30 ballots, but after 50 or 60 it got a tad tedious, and by the 80th or 90th even the driest of the dry delegates longed to take a swan dive into a bottle of bootleg bourbon.

People said the 1924 convention was so ugly it would kill the Democratic Party. It didn’t, but it did kill the romance of the deadlocked convention. After 1924, Democrats hated deadlocks even more than they hated rival Democrats.

At the 1932 convention, the party leaders started to panic after three ballots and McAdoo got up and urged the convention to avoid “another disastrous contest like that of 1924.” FDR’s people offered the vice presidency to anybody who controlled enough votes to break the deadlock. John Nance Garner took the deal, delivered the Texas delegation and ended up vice president, a job he later reportedly described as “not worth a bucket of warm spit.”

The last time a convention went more than one ballot was 1952, when the Democrats took three ballots to nominate Adlai Stevenson, who was trounced by Dwight Eisenhower. These days, both parties confine their brawling to the primaries and by the time the convention rolls around they’re cooing and kissing like newlyweds. Now, conventions are just long infomercials for the candidates. They’re so dull they make you pine for a deadlock.

Maybe that’s why the TV yappers are jabbering about a deadlocked Democratic convention. If Clinton wins Texas and Ohio today, they say, then neither she nor Obama may have enough delegates to win, so the nomination will be decided by the 796 superdelegates, the people we used to call the party bosses.

Well, I think they’re full of baloney, but I hope they’re right. A little deadlock livens things up, and the prospect of floor fights, fistfights and backroom wheeling and dealing quickens the blood.

Two ballots, five ballots, 10 ballots — that would give an old geezer a reason to go on living. But, please, not 103 ballots. Take it from me, young fella, that’s a little too much of a good thing.

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Hillary Clinton and John McCain join Forces:

Posted by devilsapprentice on April 14, 2008

Hillary Clinton and John McCain join Forces:

Supporting Terrorism:

 

By Andrew Stergiou

 

Comments, “posted Friday on The Huffington Post Web site, set off a blast of criticism from Clinton, Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain and other GOP officials” (Associated Press, By JIM KUHNHENN and CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writers, April 13, 2008)

 

Hillary Clinton’s recent attacks on Barack Obama are Republican style attacks that the Republicans joined in on, showing her complete lack of understanding of the problems in small towns of America, and America in general. They show a complete opportunistic side of the Clintons Democratic favored brand of Republicanism where they have good conservative bed fellows in the Republican Party.

 

Obviously Hillary Clinton, her staff, top Democrats, and their counterparts in the Republican Party have not watched the Michael Moore Movie Bowling for Columbine, or if they watched it sharply disagree or pay lip service to the message of Michael Moore because they are in denial of the problems really facing America. That on one hand rabidly speaks of crime and terror domestic and foreign and then denies it exists.

 

It was said that “A political tempest over Barack Obama’s comments about bitter voters in small towns has given rival Hillary Rodham Clinton a new opening to court working class Democrats 10 days before Pennsylvanians hold a primary that she must win to keep her presidential campaign alive.”

 

But the facts are that the Barack Obama has been endorsed at this point by the majority of organized labor and represents the best interests of American working people.

 

While successive Republican (and to a lesser degree Democratic party) administrations has catered to American fears, fears of crime, fear of terrorism, fear of the races, fear of what is foreign and big cities, in their wrapping themselves in the American flag and denying there are any problems with America:

 

So as to avoid they own guilt and responsibility for the last 40 forty of Republican subversion that began with Nixon and is a clear line to the present administration of George W. Bush that escalates the fear factor year after year thru a corporate media that has long lost its independent intellectual capacity to think without catering to the dumbing down of America which they have created.

 

The National Rifle Association and similar like minded organizations and individuals remind us constantly how the honest citizen is overwhelmed especially by crime in our communities, as long as they can use that as an excuse to increase spending on what has become more or less a gulag of gulags, and a police state in what can not be described as “The Free World”.

 

 Just as the conservative minded police and news constantly remind us of crime in the community but when Barack Obama goes to the root of those problems in order to address them, of what are delusions and illusions of those conservative bulwarks that prevent America from constructively changing he is attacked.

 

American conservatives do not want to resolve the crime, violence issues in America for in such problems resolution goes the issues that have kept them in power for the last forty years as they retreated from their forbearers policies support of racism and segregation.

 

In showing the Clinton camp’s insincere and opportunistic hypocrisy:

“One of Clinton‘s staunchest supporters, Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., acknowledged there was some truth in Obama’s remarks. But he said Republicans would use them against him anyway.”

 

And as so does Hillary Clinton in her attacks on Barack Obama which are preludes to the Republicans attacks in the current presidential campaigning, in which Barack Obama has been attacked without any greater reason except they do so for their own advancement and good but not the country’s betterment and improvement.

 

Barack Obama stated in what was attacked that:

“It’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

 

In what is admittedly a truthful statement as stated by Sen. Bayh, but was hypocritically attacked by the Clintons and the Republicans at the same time, those conservatives Democratic and Republican alike emphasize security and protection from crime. Crime invading small towns and cities in what spills over from larger cities and urban centers  because the mainstream corporate America and politicians have exported it due to the failed polities of the last forty years much like Wal-Mart imports the prison made goods it sells from China, and exports into our local communities economies to destroy our local economies, jobs, and businesses.

 

Barack Obama stated “people don’t feel like they are being listened to.”

 

And that is absolutely true across the broad political Spectrum as American society has broken down if not collapsed in many areas of the country.

 

There is some indication the Clinton campaign has used this opportunity as an unfounded and unprincipled basis to draw attention away from the lie related to her stating she landed at “an airport” *** in Bosnia 10 years ago” under enemy fire when she didn’t. Clinton is known for her embellishments of speech as she started her campaign with the slogan “let the communication begin” when it has been anything but communication on her part in what is a onesided monologue in which she has more than once sided with the Republican Party and has played fast and free with the truth, and  continues with such distortions and misspeaking to undermine the American people.

 

In reality the Clinton campaign’s latest comments shows how Hillary Clinton being completely out of touch with the American people, and how hypocritically she addresses issues with a genuine cynicism of a evil nature merely to score political points.

 

As a democrat or merely a Democrat i must object to Hillary Clinton and her mannerism that represents business as usual as she is most unreal and insincere.

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Reply to a Nationalist point of view

Posted by devilsapprentice on February 20, 2008

israeli flag

I came across a blog article entitled “Poor Jews are not poor at all” that:

Torn apart from all the pre-existing thought structures a Jewish person may have related to existence and:

“Jewish existence” that on one hand stated “Isolation is a means of Jewish existence”, then immediately took that verbal deception away

by saying “Anything not isolated, assimilates.” By insultingly suggesting we as Jews should live in caves, or if we do not have no back bone to be Jews.

Continuing to remind us as if in an interrogation by some twisted wording on Jewish religion:

In terminology that switched back and forth first presuming without definition that “If Jewish purpose is different from other ‘nations’ ”

It then assumes also without definition “then the Jewish life must be different.”; at which point it conjected “One cannot lead a different life while intermingling with others.” Presuming that people do not have the integrity to be individuals who they suggest or state are not up to “Judaism is a full-day occupation”:

Though we can presume they think well of themselves or their masters who ever that may be.

They spoke sounding of guilt of a divided conscience that “One cannot be a person like others (Gentiles) during the day, and remain Jewish at night in the private sphere.”

Where by the insult “Moderately religious Jews and [those whom they call] their atheist rabbis” merely by labeling them as such, shamelessly in accusation that they the “Moderately religious Jews and their atheist rabbis”:

“proclaim various “same-same but different” policies. A popular variety of such policy is economic interconnection along the ritual or demographic isolation. That won’t work.

That continues to lectures how they are so incapable and in competent stating:

People do business with trustworthy individuals. Only the predictable individuals are trustworthy. Only the individuals with readily comprehensible system of values are predictable. Throughout the history, Gentiles conducted with Jews simple business where it was enough to know of the Jews’ immediate honesty. Modern business transactions are complex and require full-fledged trust. Look at the difficulties American businessmen have doing business in China or Russia; mentality and value systems are too different for comfortable cooperation. Western (non-expatriate) investment in China remains minuscule compared to trans-Atlantic investment. A similar problem awaits the Jews if we want to be different and adhere to our own system of values. A religious Israel would be able to trade with other countries, but not engage in complex economic cooperation. No one likes odd partners.

Repeating in exaggeration what has been generally accepted that:

Religious people cannot grow rich. Affluent, possibly, but not rich. Many rich hypocrites pose as religious, but they are assimilated, atheist, lack the fear of God, and conduct religion as a set of rites rather than live a religious life.

Which is the case with all religions Christians, Buddhists, even committed principles humanists as the author internalized and projected psychologically his own insecurities.

That then departs from the unity of a people, the Jewish people, by proclaiming what they envision of hardships ahead within:

“A common objection to the second Jewish state of Judea is its limited economic capacity. That is far from certain. A theocracy built around the laws of Torah would be a laissez-faire state with very low taxes and next to no regulation. Such a state can prosper in many areas from offshore banking to jewelry to tax haven. But the big question is, would Jews accept moderate economy in return for the religious and simply Jewish life? Judging by the millions of American Jews preferring assimilation and affluence of America to limited economic opportunities and Jewishness of Israel, few Jews would move to Judea. But they will be the best Jews.”

This author was a committed “Zionist” yet he/she shared the same vision for the “Jewish people” as did a “socialist” who I had argued with only early this week both suggesting Zionists have to “move to Judea [Israel] all of which I think is bogus as the two also agree with neo-nazis who suggest it would be good to get rid of all Jews if they only all moved to Israel thereby giving up their rights, their homes, their careers their roots else where.

That is what I call an unholy alliance re-enforced by Arab nationalist attempts to isolate Israel which in fact strenthens Jewish nationalists and nationalism which they then bitch and complain about.

I responded at first reading as follows:

(note all this gets read and written when first read and written in a matters of hours so without further staff or assistance it is by nature limited)

Reply to a Nationalist point of view. Andrew Stergiou

“Poor Jews are not poor at all”

Ανδρεου Γιωργος Στεργιου Feb 20 2008

After reading as much of your bourgeois sociological rambling as I could in one sitting before retiring I comment without a desire to denigrate or belittle you questionable comments stating:

All being well and good with what you state conjecturally, without other basis it but that conjecture all good and well nationalism and that is not adding any references all the varied shades of nationalism which exists in theory equal as with one, as with another.

Jewish people have the right to self-determination and all which that means embodied in what is called Zionism but none the less as it is nationalism like any other.

Zionism is presented as nationalism with all the foibles that nationalism fosters, limited within the boundaries limited by self-interests that you admit directly, and which are implied intrinsically in what you imply.

Weither that nationalism is fostered by a Weizmann, a Herzog, a Begin, a Golda Meir, a Meir Kahane, or a Malcolm X it is limited by its own design within the paradox you so well support, but which in attempts to negate what is stated as fact:

Reveals the folly and vanity of human construction attempting to achieve what the almighty he also stated would not for why would the almighty, make a rose as a goat, if that rose was not a goat, or a goat as a rose, if that goat was not a rose?

So you struggle with the tactical vs. strategic, the logical vs. the spiritual, and the true vs. the false.

You go so far as to suggest everything in the negative where Israel will not survive even with nuclear weapons, that occupation is this, that something else is that, rambling hopelessly for something you don’t know awaiting a miracle.

A miracle which is not incumbent upon what you say, what I say, or what anyone one says or does, that rambles in your searching far and wide where maybe you have no wish but in desperation you embrace.

Embrace within the structure of your soul/mind without clear answers in economy you refuse to address, and fundamentals you ignore, so that within all your talk or this and that you embrace a form of Nihilism

Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) in a philosophical position which argues that Being, especially past and current human existence, is without objective meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value; generally asserting some or all of the following:

* There is no reasonable proof of the existence of a higher ruler or creator,
* A “true morality” does not exist, and
* Objective secular ethics are impossible; therefore, life has, in a sense, no truth, and no action is objectively preferable to any other.

“Denote a general mood of despair at the pointlessness of existence”

(Wikipedia) that literally means “vanity of vanity, everything is vanity”.

Now if we reject you hyperbolic hypothesis and function as self-defeating then perhaps something real could be accomplished, but that would be all too easy, when then what questions would you bring and whom do you follow asking as of Moses;

“And they said unto Moses: ‘Because there were no graves in Egypt, hast thou taken us away to die in the wilderness? wherefore hast thou dealt thus with us, to bring us forth out of Egypt?”

So I ask you affirmation of what you think:

“Because there were no graves in Egypt, hast [I] taken [you] away to die in the wilderness? *** [to be] dealt thus with [having been brought] forth out of Egypt?”

This is what you state, and it is an insult which fairly you should retract for if you have no faith why do you not keep it to yourself except to bewilder and perplex the simple minded in base instincts and emotions catering to nothing higher as if we were sheep and cattle taken out of Egypt and not human or any worth, and you were Satan tempting Job waiting for us to curse the almighty.

Where contritely on one hand you claim no solution of any real answers, as if you were a beggar, then demand conversely action forethought, and resolution, which gracelessly you refuse others equally.

I will be finishing an article paper on Zionism and Nationalism which I suggest you read, that I will post and which you may look for if so interested as generally you write well though emotional and bourgeois to the detriment of what you attempt to say and accomplish by twisting emotions.

Ανδρεου Γιωργος Στεργιου

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SECTARIANISM or PROGRESS, and the use of Language

Posted by devilsapprentice on February 19, 2008

SECTARIANISM, PROGRESS, and the use of Language

Today the SPUSA exists like the First Socialist International with a membership of the many various political and philosophic views that existed then and now which led to the founding of First, Second, Third, Fourth Internationals all marching into the future; or,

Marching as if a legion of Doom into the future, to repeat errors of its past in some bizarre fictional trekkie adventure with an infinite number of factions and internationals in it future serializations.

Today the SPUSA faces many of the same issues that I myself as a gambler would have to bet against for it is difficult teaching the old dogs new tricks.
For it is to be learned weither those in the SPUSA can gain with hindsight insight the experiences to look beyond the present and past or it will face an unknown future.

The SPUSA is not at present a very big group it is an expeditionary force on the frontiers of dialogue, discussion, and sectarianism.

In discussion with the SPUSA leadership and members one will note with honesty and ability that its views are varied, that those views are expressed overtly or covertly find expression in varied forms; and for all practicality a minimal long term basis of work does not exist:

As individuals are left to their own creativity, remedies, just as one faction or another, sought to gain influence, in imposing its own vision on that party and future there is an inherent contradiction: of self-interest versus groups interest.
The arguments provoked, and encouraged on the most personal basic levels, are needless in what does not incorporate a perspective representing all socialist views, in what is allegedly internationalism but is not, nor perhaps should be but in all honesty should be reflected as such but is not.

It incorporates even those who in great insight and wisdom would allow “stands firmly and openly on the right of anyone to use [language freely] *** racist, sexist, homophobic, insulting, threatening, and otherwise abusive behavior [in] oppos[ing] any moderation whatsoever”; and those who would regulate and legislate such discussion which also I find in error.

That extreme support of free speech is very diverse but which interesting I find myself supporting though on a political level it seems to support what everyone does not, in a dialogue for a very diverse group that encourages dialogue:
But only if that dialogue can be framed with a constructive basis which it has not been always as often the views proffered are sectarian. In terms of issues not of wording but context which most often is drawn from those parties and contingents around it and which are pre-existing which I do not support.

The SPUSA exists today like the first SDS, or the first Socialist International before the split with the Second Socialist International, before its split with the Third Socialist International, before its split with the Fourth Socialist International, before its split with the Fifth Socialist International, etc ad lib, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

Today what exists on the left in the world most of all is distortion, rhetoric, deceit, factionalism it does not represent the ideals of an international socialist movement in all essence to the contrary supports the reactionary mindset that surrounds them and allegedly opposes.

So the issue is forward or backward, refusing to learn from one’s errors and mistakes and languish forever in the same cesspool forever, arguing the same issues, acting in the same childish fashion or progressing forward?

As an Independent and affiliated socialist for the last forty years if anyone thinks they can impose their views on me lets just say they are more than a bit mad as they are viewed as daffy, especially in the expectations related to a socialist group that was not formed in the Leninist model and which is supposed to be at once libertarian socialist and democratic.

A party which is not protected by leadership, membership decisions, rules, policies official and unofficial, but by the actual context supporting those virtues or not which is not what can often be legislated.

The leadership can say whatever it wants but will the membership as a whole truly answer, follow and implement such decisions?

Very often not as the letter of the law is followed but not the spirit in that many acts of legislation by nature polarize alienate and are hypocritical failures pretending to support what they can not achieve!

The membership voice can be with great difficulty heard, but will the leadership truly hear the membership, or will it pay lip service to the membership’s sentiments by stating it is the function of leadership to lead and not always cater to the members immature sentiments?

Rules may be enacted but are those rules the real rules or are there policies secreted in someone’s desk drawers, and do those policies have written and unwritten components in being implemented?

Surely the discover of secrets reports, secret archives, secret conversations and the like worldwide answers that question.

I say most often yes life is risky and that one must accept risks in this day and age, but that that has limitations which are framed with a context of personal, communal, local, regional, national, and international significance.

At present I have not found the SPUSA leadership or membership up to my standards of dialogue as it is severely lacking. Perhaps I can overlook such deficiencies but in the same lights who overlooks mine where my names is attached to every GOD DAMN commentary that refers to me.

I am sick and tired of seeing my name in print but linguistically it shows how incapable humanity is to exist without the use of words or labels and that the god or socialism which exists prior to it adherents is superior to that of what comes afterwards in their speaking.

The western industrialized world’s habits of language is something which I find abhorrent the labels, the details, the mannerisms, it is all reminiscent of a corporate report detailing cost analysis of sneakers made in a dozen countries, or materials from a dozen or so sources, that refers to the most intimate clinical remarks, detailing that shirt collars took on the average 2.5 seconds to sew:
That suggests production can be increased if workers above certain ages were terminated, and profits could be increased in benefits were cut, that lunch was curtailed music was pumped in or turned off.

BUT I am not a machine sorry no turn you own god damn self on and off don’t involve me because you do so selective choosing what you hear and listen to and what you don’t merely for you to find reason to harp on some issue that you find of particular interest.

Why? Maybe you don’t really know.

With the advent of language, computerization and software what socialists of most sorts have become known for is their sectarianisms that becomes manifest in various ways but with one result disaster.

That is why I support also no rules on discussion beyond a limitation of time and space allotted through participation and that such materials should not be of an organizational character labeled as such but representing the individuals abilities to discuss in dialogue the topics issues and matters they raise, which should be discussed fully by specific mention without names except where it is posted.
Some can ask comrade so and so is acting badly it needs to be addressed, how can that be done without mentioning they name?

I ask, are we supposed to discuss issues or write police reports automatically scanned and transcribed naming names as we ourselves add in speaking such names.

Ancient Christianity has some good lessons to be learned on functioning when the environment is hostile they didn’t use overt signs and label but contextual references and it was only when they became institutionalized hundreds of years later that they were subverted by the Emperor of Rome.

As I can sign this and some may view it as signed but for which again I argue is counter productive and most probably be ignored for who of those amongst you could truly answer in satisfaction of what is required?

I say none.

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WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!

Posted by devilsapprentice on February 19, 2008

WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!

In the United States of America without a labor movement as there exists in other countries; and,

In the United States of America which never had a labor movement as existed in other countries, when one refers to the left one is hard pressed to delineate where that left begins and ends.

Certainly if one supports the trade union movement that can be said, or that if one was in the union movement that can be said, and also if one was a socialist albeit of what ever shade that socialism takes that also can be said.

But for the most part to know the American left of the United States of North America (for it is not really the United States of America but the United States of America north of Mexico and south o Canada) is to perceive the brutal oppression, manipulation, deceit, dishonesty and corruption; within which the American Labor movement and progressive movements were born in the United States, have been subjected, and exist:

In a long history of oppression, repression, surveillance, control, and management which successive American governments and administrations have treated as little more that an annoying nuisance contrary to what has self-servingly been proclaimed by the likes of the FBI, various Congressional committees (e.g. House Un-American Activities Committee), think tanks and other dubious subversive organizations who subvert the American People, the American working class, democratic values, and democratic society, the republic, and even mother and apple pie in that they cater to a system without loyalties to anything other than money and power.

For no where else in the world can the socialist movement internationally be found with such a motley array of counter-productive misfits who often do not serve the purpose of social change, but instead serve the forces of reactionary dysfunctionality and the ruling class.

Now one can say then: Why be a socialist? How bother yourself? Why try to change the unchangeable when there are so many other things to do, places to be, etc?

Because that is the only way they are going to change! For to be for change is to be a socialist, for to be for labor is to be a socialist, for to be for social change is to be a socialist, and to be a freedom loving person within the critical air of reality is to be a socialist it means nothing more in the universal sense because the past has been evil, void and empty; and the future is tedious numbing slavery without socialism.

Herein in writing these are the products of experiences in, on, or with the so called left in America extending for a period of time over the past forty years in which has brought contact with many individuals, parties, and organization of various stripes shades and colors.

For the most part I am just as critical of the so called left as the right, in fact I am even more so critical of the left than right because the right would not exist if it wasn’t for the ineptitudes of the left, because the ruling class would not exist if it wasn’t for the ineptitudes on the left, as everyone knows what the right is up as it publicizes itself daily in the media it owns to in an open book test called the reality where out memories are tested in what yesterday it said, it changes today for something else.

Because?

Why not it is the center of world finance in a capitalist society of a world based on capitalist economics right?

Let me begin by asking when the Left in the United States ever directly influenced government in the United States, as corresponding left parties and movements influenced their respective governments in other countries?

Let me add asking when has the Labor movement in the United States ever directly influenced government in the United States, as corresponding labor movements influenced their respective governments in other countries?

The answer is never at no time since the advent of organized labor or socialist parties in the United States has those socialist parties and labor movement ever directly influenced government in the United States, as corresponding socialist parties and labor movements influenced their respective governments in other countries!

Why is that why with all the so called progress that has alleged been made how can one say that the socialist and labor movement never directly influenced the government in the United Stated as it has in other countries?

The answer is simple because there never was a socialist or labor government in the United States, and all influence was derived not by participation in government but by acting as power brokers or kingmakers.

The American Left has been allowed to exist so as to channel the mass dissatisfaction of the American Worker into neatly constructed channels for use or destruction, and often it has existed as a means to provide cover to US Intelligence for their overseas activities where often mainstream thinking and Americans generally have been looked at with suspicion weither being comrades or not.

Many on the left have deluded themselves after decades of not centuries of dysfunctionality that they serve some useful purpose but in reality they have been serving quite conveniently the forces of opportunism or sectarian extremism.

Where today comes a point where there is relatively little appropriate discussion on the left, and even less critical examination of what occurs and is said, as the so called left has with the falling fortunes of world socialism and labor has taken on the characteristics of cults of personalities going through the motions of feigning what they once were.

Where often lies of distortion promoted by the reactionary rightists has gained acceptance unchallenged, where even the history of the left is distorted on relatively basic issues and facts, and remain unnoticed and unchallenged.

Only today I ran across one article in a purportedly left publication that mirrored an argument presented five years in a fascist (neo-nazi) publication without their readers knowing anything than what they were presented.

Currently under investigation from also on the same day is what appears to be a historical distortion presented by such divergent sources as Wikipedia and the Heritage Foundation (amongst others) that purported in allegation (undoubtedly due to the inaccuracy of their paid snitch informers) that there was a fraternal relationship between the Progressive Labor Party and the Puerto Rican Socialist Party when none had previously existed.

So to advance the left, the socialist agenda I challenge it, and they will be my main focus, for the movement for a socialist society does not mean a chicken in every pot, or a car in every garage it means independence, it means more than a shopping list agenda, and more than constituency politics it means a radical assess based upon an empirical materialist analysis, within the subjective context of human expression that has a morality beyond the bottom line of business as usual.

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