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Reply to a Nationalist point of view

Posted by devilsapprentice on February 20, 2008

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I came across a blog article entitled “Poor Jews are not poor at all” that:

Torn apart from all the pre-existing thought structures a Jewish person may have related to existence and:

“Jewish existence” that on one hand stated “Isolation is a means of Jewish existence”, then immediately took that verbal deception away

by saying “Anything not isolated, assimilates.” By insultingly suggesting we as Jews should live in caves, or if we do not have no back bone to be Jews.

Continuing to remind us as if in an interrogation by some twisted wording on Jewish religion:

In terminology that switched back and forth first presuming without definition that “If Jewish purpose is different from other ‘nations’ ”

It then assumes also without definition “then the Jewish life must be different.”; at which point it conjected “One cannot lead a different life while intermingling with others.” Presuming that people do not have the integrity to be individuals who they suggest or state are not up to “Judaism is a full-day occupation”:

Though we can presume they think well of themselves or their masters who ever that may be.

They spoke sounding of guilt of a divided conscience that “One cannot be a person like others (Gentiles) during the day, and remain Jewish at night in the private sphere.”

Where by the insult “Moderately religious Jews and [those whom they call] their atheist rabbis” merely by labeling them as such, shamelessly in accusation that they the “Moderately religious Jews and their atheist rabbis”:

“proclaim various “same-same but different” policies. A popular variety of such policy is economic interconnection along the ritual or demographic isolation. That won’t work.

That continues to lectures how they are so incapable and in competent stating:

People do business with trustworthy individuals. Only the predictable individuals are trustworthy. Only the individuals with readily comprehensible system of values are predictable. Throughout the history, Gentiles conducted with Jews simple business where it was enough to know of the Jews’ immediate honesty. Modern business transactions are complex and require full-fledged trust. Look at the difficulties American businessmen have doing business in China or Russia; mentality and value systems are too different for comfortable cooperation. Western (non-expatriate) investment in China remains minuscule compared to trans-Atlantic investment. A similar problem awaits the Jews if we want to be different and adhere to our own system of values. A religious Israel would be able to trade with other countries, but not engage in complex economic cooperation. No one likes odd partners.

Repeating in exaggeration what has been generally accepted that:

Religious people cannot grow rich. Affluent, possibly, but not rich. Many rich hypocrites pose as religious, but they are assimilated, atheist, lack the fear of God, and conduct religion as a set of rites rather than live a religious life.

Which is the case with all religions Christians, Buddhists, even committed principles humanists as the author internalized and projected psychologically his own insecurities.

That then departs from the unity of a people, the Jewish people, by proclaiming what they envision of hardships ahead within:

“A common objection to the second Jewish state of Judea is its limited economic capacity. That is far from certain. A theocracy built around the laws of Torah would be a laissez-faire state with very low taxes and next to no regulation. Such a state can prosper in many areas from offshore banking to jewelry to tax haven. But the big question is, would Jews accept moderate economy in return for the religious and simply Jewish life? Judging by the millions of American Jews preferring assimilation and affluence of America to limited economic opportunities and Jewishness of Israel, few Jews would move to Judea. But they will be the best Jews.”

This author was a committed “Zionist” yet he/she shared the same vision for the “Jewish people” as did a “socialist” who I had argued with only early this week both suggesting Zionists have to “move to Judea [Israel] all of which I think is bogus as the two also agree with neo-nazis who suggest it would be good to get rid of all Jews if they only all moved to Israel thereby giving up their rights, their homes, their careers their roots else where.

That is what I call an unholy alliance re-enforced by Arab nationalist attempts to isolate Israel which in fact strenthens Jewish nationalists and nationalism which they then bitch and complain about.

I responded at first reading as follows:

(note all this gets read and written when first read and written in a matters of hours so without further staff or assistance it is by nature limited)

Reply to a Nationalist point of view. Andrew Stergiou

“Poor Jews are not poor at all”

Ανδρεου Γιωργος Στεργιου Feb 20 2008

After reading as much of your bourgeois sociological rambling as I could in one sitting before retiring I comment without a desire to denigrate or belittle you questionable comments stating:

All being well and good with what you state conjecturally, without other basis it but that conjecture all good and well nationalism and that is not adding any references all the varied shades of nationalism which exists in theory equal as with one, as with another.

Jewish people have the right to self-determination and all which that means embodied in what is called Zionism but none the less as it is nationalism like any other.

Zionism is presented as nationalism with all the foibles that nationalism fosters, limited within the boundaries limited by self-interests that you admit directly, and which are implied intrinsically in what you imply.

Weither that nationalism is fostered by a Weizmann, a Herzog, a Begin, a Golda Meir, a Meir Kahane, or a Malcolm X it is limited by its own design within the paradox you so well support, but which in attempts to negate what is stated as fact:

Reveals the folly and vanity of human construction attempting to achieve what the almighty he also stated would not for why would the almighty, make a rose as a goat, if that rose was not a goat, or a goat as a rose, if that goat was not a rose?

So you struggle with the tactical vs. strategic, the logical vs. the spiritual, and the true vs. the false.

You go so far as to suggest everything in the negative where Israel will not survive even with nuclear weapons, that occupation is this, that something else is that, rambling hopelessly for something you don’t know awaiting a miracle.

A miracle which is not incumbent upon what you say, what I say, or what anyone one says or does, that rambles in your searching far and wide where maybe you have no wish but in desperation you embrace.

Embrace within the structure of your soul/mind without clear answers in economy you refuse to address, and fundamentals you ignore, so that within all your talk or this and that you embrace a form of Nihilism

Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) in a philosophical position which argues that Being, especially past and current human existence, is without objective meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value; generally asserting some or all of the following:

* There is no reasonable proof of the existence of a higher ruler or creator,
* A “true morality” does not exist, and
* Objective secular ethics are impossible; therefore, life has, in a sense, no truth, and no action is objectively preferable to any other.

“Denote a general mood of despair at the pointlessness of existence”

(Wikipedia) that literally means “vanity of vanity, everything is vanity”.

Now if we reject you hyperbolic hypothesis and function as self-defeating then perhaps something real could be accomplished, but that would be all too easy, when then what questions would you bring and whom do you follow asking as of Moses;

“And they said unto Moses: ‘Because there were no graves in Egypt, hast thou taken us away to die in the wilderness? wherefore hast thou dealt thus with us, to bring us forth out of Egypt?”

So I ask you affirmation of what you think:

“Because there were no graves in Egypt, hast [I] taken [you] away to die in the wilderness? *** [to be] dealt thus with [having been brought] forth out of Egypt?”

This is what you state, and it is an insult which fairly you should retract for if you have no faith why do you not keep it to yourself except to bewilder and perplex the simple minded in base instincts and emotions catering to nothing higher as if we were sheep and cattle taken out of Egypt and not human or any worth, and you were Satan tempting Job waiting for us to curse the almighty.

Where contritely on one hand you claim no solution of any real answers, as if you were a beggar, then demand conversely action forethought, and resolution, which gracelessly you refuse others equally.

I will be finishing an article paper on Zionism and Nationalism which I suggest you read, that I will post and which you may look for if so interested as generally you write well though emotional and bourgeois to the detriment of what you attempt to say and accomplish by twisting emotions.

Ανδρεου Γιωργος Στεργιου

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